Manulife Financial (MFC.TO)

He respects their business and what they are doing in terms of being global, especially with their exposure in China. It also pays a dividend. All of that is positive. The issue he has is that it is a hard stock to make money on. They recently reported earnings having a strong quarter. With their dividend of about 3.3% and trading at 11 or 12 times, that yield and Price to earnings valuation is very much in line with where Canadian banks are right now, and he would rather own Canadian banks.

The insurance company he would be a buyer of today. The nice thing is the global diversification. You are getting the US business, the asset manager and the underwriting life insurance business, but more importantly you are getting the Asian exposure, in particular China. If you just tuck this away, as rates creep higher globally and the insurance markets heal, it’s a company you need to own.

Technically it has been in a downward trend lately. Seasonality, it is very similar to the banks. We are in a period right now where the stock is probably going to continue to press the support levels. If it holds, that’s great. There is no real rush to be a buyer until you get into early October.

Relative to Canadian banks, this will get more leverage to rising interest rates. With rates going to rise, this would be a good one to participate in. Not a bad place to be.

He likes the insurers, and feels they are undervalued at this stage. This is trading at about 10X forward earnings, and BV is just over 1.1 or 1.2. Also, pays a pretty decent dividend of 3.4%. The reason it has dropped off along with other insurers is that there has been a bit of a scale back on long-term interest rates, and insurers are really based on where interest rates are going on the 5 and 10 year rates. He likes their exposure in Japan and other parts of Asia.

He likes this company. There was a run up last year on the anticipation of higher interest rates and inflation coming back. That didn’t happen, so the stock has calmed down. Earnings are being reported, and they are good and solid. ROE of about 11%-12%. He likes this longer-term, because it is capital market intensive as well as their growth in Asia.

Canadian Banks versus lifecos? He is a bigger fan of the lifecos. Manulife (MFC-T) and Sun Life (SLF-T) are going to get a big boost from rising interest rates. It is already starting to happen. The yield curve is steepening. Lifecos have been suffering and living with low interest rates for a long time. Both companies are also quite global. They have big presences in the US and in Asia. He sees a better earnings growth over the next few years.

They reported a good number as well as really good growth in Asia. This is down because of the macro environment since they reported. Both banks and lifecos are down. They will also be a beneficiary of higher rates. Expects it will be around $26.01 year out. It would be a Buy under $24.

GWO-T vs. MFC-T. MFC-T has the advantage of being a very diversified company, globally. They have done well from that diversification. He tends to prefer it to GWO-T, although he might use its weakness to buy.

Move into banks instead? He likes the banks more. This company’s story on paper is pretty good. They’ve gone from being insurance centric to wealth management, which has that reoccurring fees. They’ve done a lot of things well. Interest rates are eventually going to go up, and this company is going to benefit. However, if you are not making money for your shareholders, it is a waste of time. He would make that move.

Bought this for his equity platform on its break-out in late 2016, and sold it in the early part of this year. He still holds it in his income platform because it has a pretty darn good dividend. Doesn’t think there is a lot of downside. If you are happy holding the stock and collecting the dividend, there is going to be a fair amount of support at around $22, and he wouldn’t worry about it.

He likes the life insurance business in Canada, but this is his least preferred. He prefers GWL-T or SLF-T. He is looking for interest rates to eventually go up.

This seems to be the favoured insurance company right now. The business needs interest rates to pick up. They also need their Asian and US businesses to pick up. You may see flows Canadian banks into this insurance company.

(A Top Pick Feb 22/16. Up 42.7%.) He still likes this. Looking out longer-term, it is very much a favourite. China is going great guns and North America is getting better. He can see another $4-$5 a share in the next 12 months.

(A Top Pick May 4/16. Up 34%.) He chose this for its Asian growth, its US currency exposure and for wealth management tailwinds. It was really cheap at the time. He still models good EPS and good dividend growth from here.