Manulife Financial (MFC.TO)

Sometimes things happen in mysterious ways. Remember that the last price is set by the last buyer; the price you see on the screen is the price where 2 people most recently transacted. That doesn't tell you much about the future of the company or anything else.

Firstly, people have long memories. MFC hurt people so badly in the past, there are some people who just won't come back. His firm tries to be patient, seeing the future of companies when other investors are mad or unwilling. Also, stock has to digest its big move (most of which was last year). He's owned since $20, and is happy with where it is. Finally, most of the money in financials is flowing to banks.

Has performed extremely well. Doesn't disagree with the caller that stock could be $60. But something has to change to capture the attention of investors; for example, if PCLs for banks move up next year, $$ might rotate out and over to insurance.

His preference is to own SLF and MFC in the sector. Likes their growth in Asian asset management.

With a global lens, you don't need to be invested in lifecos. Within the Canadian context, life insurance is a common way to play. This name is attractive, capital structure is good, far more de-risked than 10-15 years ago.

Owns this in a small way, and SLF in a bigger way. Likes the space. Valuation is 1.8x book, not cheap. Management assets should do well when markets are up. Good chance of putting up a very strong quarter. Can move higher, but note that you're buying momentum and not value.

Took profits not too long ago. Range-bound over last 12+ months. In the right spot, and aging demographics will help its asset management. Likes it longer term. Nice dividend yield of ~3.9%, expected to grow over time. He still owns SLF.

Earnings quality still improving, though last quarter showed some negatives in the US. Acquiring Comvest, a private asset management platform, which should be nicely accretive. At 7.5%, not same EPS growth as a year ago. Trades at 9.8x versus peers, 45% payout ratio. Nice dividend, which will have some nice growth.

In general, insurance companies are a better buy than the banks right now.

Higher interest rates are better for insurance companies than they are for banks. So some investors might be selling on recent lower rates. Raising dividend faster than some of peers. Solid company with a dividend, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Stock's been flat and stuck at these levels for the last little while. There may have been a downgrade yesterday. Thinks it's undervalued. Great dividend yield, dividend should remain steady and increase. Steady growth company; sees ~8% going into the next few years. Price-to-book is 1.6x, fairly cheap relative to some peers.

Wait and see. Market's hesitant to push it to new heights. If you forget about the last few months, 200-day MA is still trending higher thought flattening a bit. Stock price is below that now, but it's done that before and moved up again. Getting paid to wait.

Very strong franchise in Asia. Life insurance benefits from aging demographics, as well as people in developing and emerging markets purchasing life insurance for the first time. Undemanding PE. Nice dividend. 

MFC is such a complex company, really hard to figure out. If he can't figure it out, he just stays away. If you compare the two right now, SLF is incrementally more profitable and more transparent. Nothing compelling about the price.

Has done well this past year. Decent income stock. In the financial services sector right now, her preference is the Canadian banks. But you can continue to hold this name. Its focus on services means she's not worried about impact of tariffs.

Look to this name for income, not for growth. Solid dividend yield, north of 5%. Some growth over time. Reasonable valuation, around 10x PE. Growing in Asia. His favourite in the space is GWO.

Doesn't believe Asian exposure is affected by US-China issues. Would only be affected secondarily if economy started to slow and people had less money in general. 

Nice recent beat. Still has momentum in Asia. Wealth management earnings were up 8%, even after the $43M charge on California wildfires. At 9.7x PE for 2026, still cheaper than Canadian banks and than SLF and GWO. Reasonable 10% growth rate. Lowest payout ratio among peers. Another "when", not "if", story. Yield is 4.02%, with nice growth.

Pays a good yield and all the insurers are doing well.

The insurance business, in general, is not expanding dramatically. You get the nice dividend, which means they're not investing in the business. And they don't invest in the business because there's really nowhere to put their money for a high ROIC. Highly regulated, higher interest rates have a negative impact.

For him, the dividend is not a reason to buy things. Doing a good job, but there are better places to invest in financial services.