Enbridge (ENB.TO)

A cash flow story in a low interest rate environment with the dividend that goes up more often than the average company. Because of this, it is fine. He thinks stable dividend payers are getting a little dear, but he doesn’t think interest rates are going to go up that much.

Preferred Series E. This is a rate-reset preferred. In Canada rates have been cut, so the sense is that the company that has issued these preferreds are not going to take you out in 5 years, and will leave you there with a possible lower dividend yield. Wouldn’t dump this while Canada is in kind of a rate dumping mode. At some point in time the cycle will turn and you will have an opportunity.

(Top Pick June 20/14, Down 21.60%) The earnings have come in just fine, perhaps just slightly disappointing. They have initiated a tax arbitrage so they can stream more earnings to their shareholders by moving assets down.

The political environment towards pipelines has not being good. This is an interest rate play, and as investors expect interest rates to go up, this will not be a good area going forward.

If more refining of oil were to take place there, the result still needs to be shipped so it should not hurt ENB-T. This is a multi-decade capital allocation decision and things won’t change overnight. Heavy oil differentials are down to $8. He is tempering his reaction to the election.

Transferring their liquid gas business into their Enbridge Income Fund (ENF-T). Over 5 years, there has been a tremendous growth in liquids. The income fund is really more of a pure yield play, which is why it has done a little bit better. In both cases they are businesses that are tied to yields without a lot of volatility. Very richly valued. He would avoid these areas.

Stock vs. Stock. ENB-T vs. ENF-T. There was movement of assets between ENB-T and ENF-T and you saw that affect valuation. Prefers ENF-T right now.

They are dropping down their Canadian Liquids operation to their Enbridge Income Fund (ENF-T). She doesn’t have all the details. Thinks Enbridge Income Fund is going to have to raise some debt. She really likes management. Very good visibility in their backlog. Have indicated they are going to grow their earnings 10%-12% over the next few years, and their dividend in excess of that.

Will be transferring many of their pipeline assets down to their income trust. There is a little bit of tax arbitrage happening here. He is Short this. It is expensive, trading at 20X earnings. Management has done a phenomenal job of growing over the past 25-30 years and everyone loves it. When everyone loves something, that is the time to get out. There is a lot of risk with this company.

Stock vs. Stock. ENB-T vs. TRP-T. His preference is ENB-T. Seems like a better growth profile that is easier to predict. An easier way to make money going forward.

Income stock. The dividend keeps going up and there is no reason to not keep owning this stock. TRP-T is his preferred pipeline but he keeps ENB-T for clients who own it.

This fits into the energy infrastructure space. When a group goes out of favour, what you always want to do is look for the absolute leader in the group, the one that holds up better than the rest, the one with better fundamental characteristics, and he would probably make this one the leader in that space. This stock has held in remarkably well, it has very good sponsorship and a great history in their dividend. If he were going to own one, it would be this.

BCE (BCE-T) or Enbridge (ENB-T) for upside? BCE is the less expensive name and this one has the most growth going forward. This one would be her preference.

A good business and they have good projects. They are increasing their dividend at about 10%+ a year.

Likes the preferred, reset shares. If he was going to be in bonds it would be 1 to 2 year maturities so what he did was to get the yields up by taking high grade preferreds instead. He likes them in general.