
TSE:HBC
The traditional retailers have been under pressure. They did a deep dive into evaluating this company about a year ago and concluded some of the US investments were not performing as well as expected. They have mortgages a lot of their real estate the base business is not growing. It is fair valued, but he does not like this name right now.
He thinks they have a lot of valuable real estate and have attempted to monetize it, but even as they have done this, the stock has not made any headway. The negative secular trend in retail is just too tough. If they can't get the retail business going then investors may start to question if the real estate is really worth all that much.
(A Top Pick November 6/17 - Down 3%) He likes the fac that you have 30 plus dollars’ worth of real estate there. Rising interest rates has effectively taken up the capitalization rate for the real estate. The retail is doing far worse than expected. Don’t own it anymore. He thinks there is more upside then downside but not without a share of risk.
He owned it years ago before it went private. He did very well. They did poorly over the last few years and then approved a huge pay package for the CEO. He does not like buying into companies where management is going to be paid too much. Retail is having difficulties. He prefers RET.A-T for retail exposure.
It's modestly undervalued now. Restructuring has borne some fruit, though the market hasn't responded to HBC in kind. Them getting out of luxury lines makes sense at this stage in the economy with limited discetionary spending. He prefers placing this in the retail, and not real estate, space. This is a consumer discretionary stock late in the cycle.
He would avoid this. As a value investor, there is a tendency to see a lot of underlying asset value. However, we’ve recently seen trends in online retailing accelerating and department stores becoming more and more challenged. Even though there is this theoretical asset value in the real estate, if the underlying retail valuations are not strong enough to pay the rent and support it over time, it is going to be hard for the company to surface that.