Cenovus Energy (CVE-T)

He owns and likes both. The difference is that SU has downstream operations with gas stations. Cenovus is integrated with long-life reserves in production plus many refineries (which has suffered major compression), so the upstream looks attractive. Both have great balance sheets and free cash flows and pay similar dividends. Another difference: it's unlikely Suncor can be bought whereas maybe Cenovus could. He gives the edge to Suncor.

Share price valuation is reasonable. Cash flow multiples are reasonable, but there are better names in energy. Would look elsewhere. 

Oil prices weak recently. Lots of Middle East conflict. US energy producers in general have performed much worse than Canadian, partly because of debate on whether shale can sustain production. 

He owns SU, IMO and CNQ. Longer term, the sector is attractive and these companies will generate a ton of cash and strong dividend growth. You can put CVE in this category, but near-term technical questions. He'd love to see price of oil stabilize. It has in last couple of days, but that's geopolitically driven.

Give it some space. Not leading the market, but not technically broken in any way. Generally, gets a little firmer coming into winter. Comfortable owning.

Its growth projects are on track. It has reached its debt target and 100% of free cash flow can go to shareholders. He expects a double in the base dividend in April. It is cheaper than its peers along with a better balance sheet. It is levered to heavy oil and is a go to name.

Will continue to own stock. Excellent company with quality upstream production. Downstream issues continue to be an issue. Overall, business moving in the correct direction. Other companies like Suncor have been attracting like minded capital from investors. Very good management that has experience to fix downstream issues. Company also will reach final debt target, and will return 100% of cash flow to investors. 

He prefers oil stocks with a larger cap, instead of this mid-cap. Oil is trading at a low end of the range due to fears of an economic slowdown, but predicts it will be higher in a few years. CVE has sorted out their past problems, though is not as good as CNQ or Suncor.

There were refinery issues (old, unreliable) which weakened the share price, but ultimately the refineries will generate returns. They have a strong production plan to increase output from their Oil Sands and are near their debt target that will lead to buybacks. A cheap stock with upside.

Good senior producer exposed to the energy patch with long-life assets. But she prefers CNQ for its exposure to the Oil Sands and natural gas; they buy assets that fall out of favour.

A 10% weight for him. Favourite large cap in Canada. Very strong team. Downstream operational issues cleared up. 12% free cashflow yield next year at $80 oil. Debt target hit. 100% free cashflow to investors.

It is a positive signal that as CVE reaches $4.0B in net debt, the company will start to return 100% of its excess fund flows to shareholders. CVE production grew nicely by 8% in the most recent quarter. The share price was under pressure as the company reported a slight earnings miss of $0.57 compared to an expectation of $0.68, in addition, oil prices went down in the last few days and this also affected investors' sentiment for oil stocks. However, we think over a three – five five-year time horizon, CVE should do pretty well from the current level given the planned capital returns.
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Q1 increased dividend nicely, special dividend. Met debt obligations, so now going to return a lot to shareholders, impressive. Cheaper (4.5x) than peers (5.1x). 10% shareholder returns vs. peers at 8%. Heavy oil is working, with lots of takeaway capacity; demand is good.

Oil's all over the place, and there are geopolitics. Likes it as a Canadian levered play on heavy oil. On a down day like today, buy a sleeper like this.

If you're thinking about this name, he'd say to start with CNQ first. CVE is higher up on cash costs, so netbacks are lower. More torque-y and leveraged to oil price. A more high-beta version of CNQ. The plans for cashflow basically come from the CNQ playbook, but with a 1.5 beta.

It really depends on your risk profile as an investor. He'll stick with the 1.0 beta in energy.

Cenovus trades at a discount compared to some of its refining assets, even after they invested in those assets last year. He sold Suncor to buy this last spring.

Likes their valuation compared to the other integrated oils. They fixed refining problems from 2023 and their debt has been falling. The will shift from paying shareholders 50% of their free cash flow to 100%, maybe in Q2.

Chart's not that attractive, sideways. Better operations elsewhere. Was a leader, but not as strong this year. Yield is 2.7%, less than others.

He prefers a name like CNQ (he owns), or ATH (not owned).