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Operations in Hong Kong are an area of growth. China's autocratic economy is a risk. Its business involves local services, so shouldn't be affected by tariffs. Risk is animosity curtailing demand; but MFC is also Canadian, not just US. Slower economic growth will impact all companies, including life insurers. Tends to be more defensive; she's sticking with Canadian banks rather than lifecos.
Insurance companies have been better insulated from tariffs. Interest rates going up would help them. Really nice beat on Q4, really clean earnings (uncharacteristic after the last 20 years). Growing 12%, trading at 8.2x. Yield is 4%, growing ~8% a year. Asset sales.
Could still be a Top Pick in an environment like this.
The insurance business, in general, is not expanding dramatically. You get the nice dividend, which means they're not investing in the business. And they don't invest in the business because there's really nowhere to put their money for a high ROIC. Highly regulated, higher interest rates have a negative impact.
For him, the dividend is not a reason to buy things. Doing a good job, but there are better places to invest in financial services.
Doesn't believe Asian exposure is affected by US-China issues. Would only be affected secondarily if economy started to slow and people had less money in general.
Nice recent beat. Still has momentum in Asia. Wealth management earnings were up 8%, even after the $43M charge on California wildfires. At 9.7x PE for 2026, still cheaper than Canadian banks and than SLF and GWO. Reasonable 10% growth rate. Lowest payout ratio among peers. Another "when", not "if", story. Yield is 4.02%, with nice growth.
3 to 10 Year Hold? Lifecos have long tails. It’s not like car insurance where every year rates are redone. Life insurance policies are for 5-10-20 years, so repricing is very difficult for them. They used to invest in bonds to cover liabilities, but can’t do that as easily anymore because rates are so low, which is pushing them into riskier parts of the investment curve. They missed their numbers by about 13%, although Asia did well for them. Not expensive, but doesn’t see how they make a lot of money going forward. He would rather own a bank for that time horizon.