Crombie Real Estate Investment Trust

Thinks it will be fine, despite Amazon. Debt still a bit high. Q2 was solid, occupancy at 96%. Substantial growth pipeline. Modelling 3.2% growth rate 2017-19. Payout ratio is 82%. Distribution is about 6.7%. Pretty cheap, 12.2x next year. Yield sensitive, so if rates go up, it won’t do the heavy lifting for your portfolio. You can own it here.

It's getting swept up in the same issue as its peers, like Riocan and Choice Properties--all high-quality REITs that hold retail. In the U.S. there's been a mass sell-off of retail. All such REITs have been swept up in this sell-off and are trading at discounts to NAV. Recently, these REITs have rebounded though. All are selling assets and reinvesting that cash in their core locations. This includes Crombie. But these are long-term projects. Steady over the long-term to own, though don't expect a spike anytime soon.

He owns the debenture not the REIT. He likes the company and management. They are the real estate arm of Sobey’s, which has struggled after the Safeway acquisition. There is little chance for the dividend to be cut because of the class of tenants. However, there is not much room for growth. It is a defensive REIT that will just likely pay the distribution. Yield 7%.

This is the real estate arm of Empire, and the major tenant is Sobey’s, which is struggling. About 30% of their rental is from Sobey’s. A strong, defensive style REIT, because it is generally anchored by non-cyclical retail outlets. You are going to clip your 6.5%, but doesn’t think you’re going to make anything more than that. This is not a growth story. He owns their debt.

It did not get caught up in the troubles at Sobeys. They bought some real estate from Safeway after accusation by EMP-T. He was nervous about being Amazoned (AMZN-Q). REITs historically have difficulty in rising interest rate environments. He sold although there is nothing wrong with it.

Chart shows a bit of a base followed by a bit of a break out. What can happen after you get a break out is that you get a bit of a test down to the old break out. If it does bounce off that and moves up, it could be a very good stock.

Because Sobey’s is the main tenant, there is a lot of looking at the Empire stock right now. That has put pressure on the real estate. The concern is that the Empire Group, in order to raise money to fix their grocery business, will sell the rest of their real estate down into Crombie, which would mean a very large equity issue. Because of that, he is not there right now. He is waiting to see what happens.

The volatility is a reflection of the broader real estate sector. It has to do with the threat of rising interest rates. They can benefit from underlying growth in Sobeys. This REIT is not very affected by EMP-T’s difficulties in integrating Safeway.

A relatively stable name. Sold off a lot, primarily related to interest rate concerns as well as some of the grocery store challenges. Thinks it offers pretty good returns here. 6.6% yield.

He likes that their portfolio has a lot of development potential, especially in the Safeway portfolio that they purchased. The market however has been very harsh on this because of their relation with the Empire group and the grocery debacle. He doesn’t think the grocery is going to fail. This means you are buying a company with great real estate solid locations with development opportunities. The rest of the legacy portfolio is solid cash producing assets, often the only grocery store in town. You are getting this at a very steep discount.