Norfolk Southern (NSC-N)

The rail space has seen a great run on the back of part of a Trump rally as well as the head winds from last year rolling over. She held CSX, but sold in the last few weeks on this rally. Last time we had a really big pickup in volume we saw a reduction in margins so she took money off the table.

We are going to run into resistance around $81. It has to prove itself by getting through $81. If you want to step in and it pulls back, okay, otherwise you have to be patient.

It looks less and less like the merger with Canadian Pacific (CP-T) is going to go through. The customer backlash against this is pretty strong. He would buy this on the basis of the fundamentals, not on the potential deal going through. He would rather own Canadian Pacific.

Looking at the industrial sector overall, rails are the place to be. Have been doing well with a lot of energy projects. From a valuation perspective, you are still good to own the shares.

(Market Call Minute.) Have coal trains going down from West Virginia to the docks and empty trains going back up. Which is the ideal way to run a railway. This is a play on GDP growth because it has a lot of intermodal business on the eastern half of the US.

(Market Call Minute.) People are in love with railways, which is always a bit of a danger signal.

CSX Corp (CSX-N) or Norfolk Southern (NSC-N)? He doesn’t own either of these, but his preference would be with CSX. It trades at a better multiple. Management is taking the operating ratio down. It is just north of 70 right now and they want to move it into the 65 range. They have found substitutes for their coal business. Have been quite successful, whether it is chemicals or automobiles.

(Market Call Minute.) Likes the railroads. (See Top Picks.)

He owns CN but the rail business was very fragmented and now has consolidated. These have been really great companies over the last little while because they are reengineering themselves. They have been fantastic plays. The growth in the commodity areas has really helped their businesses. Not sure you will see any more acquisitions. These are going to do incredibly well and have good pricing power.

(A Top Pick Sept 7/11. Down 4.24%.) Do a lot of metallurgical and thermal coal shipping. 3^rd quarter numbers, thermal volumes were down sharply as natural gas is displacing thermal coal in electrical generation. The rest of the business is doing fine. He is still picking it up on weak prices.

Good operating ratios that CP can’t get. It has not done nearly as well as some of the other rails and will really benefit from the uptick in the economy. The big tumble was tied to concerns about coal shipments.

Having trouble with the lack of coal shipments so they warned and kind of killed it for everybody. Low natural gas prices have made power generators switch to natural gas instead of coal.