Economy. The economic paces that we are dealing with today means lower interest rates for a longer time. Most equities right now are discounting a 3%-3.5% 10 year bond yield, which makes a lot of companies compelling value at these levels. Expects the Fed might push back their tapering to Q4 and possibly to Q1 if we keep getting weak job numbers like we did today.
US Mortgage REITs. Dividends are not safe. As interest rates rise, hopefully the spread that they can invest in grows and the cash flow hopefully grows. The offsetting impact is that as interest rates rise, the BV of the offsetting assets that they own collapses. That is what has happened with a number of these mortgage REITs. He sold his holdings.
Relationship between the yield of 10 year Canadian government bonds and current REIT prices? Relationship between REITs and 10 year bond yields is inverse. As the 10 year bond yield goes up, REIT prices generally come down. He thinks the sector as a whole is pricing in 3% 10 year bond yield. The fact that we are at 2.4%-2.5% means that the sector has probably overcorrected.
Canadian Tech Stocks. As a whole, they have broken out of a 6 year pattern. Canadians who have been in smaller cap energy, mining, etc. stocks are now starting to look at technology companies. A lot of tech companies have been bought out over the last few years but a lot of them are free cash flow generators, which is a very positive kind of factor in that they are able to make money, reinvest money and ending up growing profits on a per share basis.
Markets. You wouldn’t know the spread in oil prices had narrowed from the Energy Stocks. The TSX is flat and yet companies are enjoying the robust oil prices. He does not expect a widening of the spread. There are changes in the delivery of crude oil that will keep the spread wide. There could be seasonal variations. Finally Canadian prices are playing catch-up – light and heavy crude. Keystone is not the only solution but in the east Irving is building bigger export terminals.
(Best and Worse Call)
Worst Call: Theme was 2005-6 small energy companies were overvalued. Raised money for private investment. He got it wrong. The Halloween massacre announced the taxing of income trusts. Private companies were decimated. Then there was the meltdown in ’08.
Best Call: About 2002 he made a call on income trusts. ’03 returns were 10% average when the market lost. ’04 was spectacular at 20%.
Markets. She is in a position where a lot of her holdings are hitting 52-week highs. She is fully invested. The one challenge is that some of the stocks are coming up to her valuation target and recycling into new names is a little bit challenging. In the general market she sees valuations more at a fair level. There are pockets where companies are overvalued and she is staying away from those. Those are more in the “yield type” side. Sees the most value in economically sensitive names.
REITs. There has been a correction but doesn’t think we have hit the bottom yet. Next little leg down will present some really unique opportunities. Bernanke to announce strategies today which will affect US markets and will affect REITs in that it affects borrowing costs. REITs are quite well-positioned to handle any of the new financing environments, however we still have to wait for the rent growth to commit and expenses on the debt side will be going up. Focus on REITs that have great balance sheets and that have the ability to generate same-store sales growth or that their existing property continues to improve as opposed to growth through acquisition. He is heavy in the US which is a great way to gain exposure to an improving US economy. After that you want names that are linking to the direct economy and less on the corporate side, so you want shorter leases, exposure to the apartment sector and industrials which will benefit from US growth. These will be good trades in the future.
Relationship between the value of REITs and 10 year Government of Canada bonds? Basically, the financing that REITs have to pay on their debt is going to be a spread of the risk free rate. As the risk free rate moves, the debt costs go up because properties are often 50% leveraged and they have to find more money to be able to pay for it. This puts pressure on the REITs creating volatility but in the end, you are still looking at a hard asset class that produces cash flow. This will create opportunities to pick up quality yield.
Where does it make more sense to hold a REIT in a relatively high marginal tax rate? Registered or non-registered account? Any tax questions should be worked out with your financial advisor. However, REITs have a large proportion of their income that is return of capital so it makes more sense to put these in your taxable account.
Markets. Investors should be looking at high quality, best-of-breed companies on a global basis. For the first time in 35 years, he has more of his clients equity monies outside of Canada them inside. Not giving up on Canada but is seeing better names and better opportunities elsewhere. Canada’s market is a very narrow market. 75% of the TSX is resources, materials and financials. He looks for companies with strong balance sheets, mid-to large capitalization, with dividends and dividends that grow. Invests on a 3 to 5 year time horizon.
Do you believe that bullion banks globally are operating in concert and controlling the gold market? Thinks there is a vocational intervention in the market. The idea that there has been a thorough, ongoing conspiracy lasting for 20-25 years, by people who were not that intelligent, seems a little far-fetched.