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Larry Berman CFA, CMT, CTABMO REAL RETURN BOND INDEX ETFZRR.TOCOMMENTDec 06, 2021

Fine if you need to be in fixed income. But do you need to be in fixed incomes? There is duration risk. The challenge with real return bonds is that you get a higher payout but there is no guarantee for the inflation rate so returns may not be good. These anticipate rates but do not follow it.
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Protection if market corrects?

He's assuming the question refers to the equity, not bond, market correcting. The answer is that it depends. When a real return bond is issued, it's issued at a coupon that's the prevailing rate of interest in the marketplace plus the expected rate of inflation. 

As future payments are made, what's realized by the bond is the current rate of interest plus what the inflation rate is at the time. So you're getting an adjustment to the distribution on one of these securities. 

So the question becomes what's already priced into the current price regarding future rates of inflation? If the stock market's correcting because the economy is getting hit hard, then it's typically because inflation is going down not up. So your coupon payment will fall, which doesn't make ZRR a good hedge.

Where real return bonds work is when inflation's really low, future inflation is expected to increase, and you don't want to use nominal bonds (which perform badly when inflation is rising). The final answer is don't use real return bonds to hedge equity risk in your portfolio; use nominal bonds instead.

COMMENT
Yield is 4.5%.

Inflation-protected bonds. Yield plus a reflection of what CPI is running at. Only 2 real return bond ETFs in Canada. Best held in registered accounts, as there's some funky tax that comes with them.

DON'T BUY

He never recommends that individual investors play real return bonds at all. Very challenged asset class. Buy at the wrong time, and you could have a really bad outcome. If inflation expectations are fully anticipated, this will give you a bad return. If inflation is underestimated, then this would be a good holding. So you have to have the ability to do that analysis, and it's not a skill set that most people would have.

COMMENT

Real return bonds are often misunderstood. They offer inflation protection, because they offer both an inflation and interest rate component (tracking both). So, if inflation ticks higher, these go higher. However, they underperform during low inflation. There's much talk of Trump's tariffs being inflationary, but part of his plank is deflationary. If you predict the former, you want some of ZRR.

DON'T BUY

Real return bonds are challenging to the average investor. The distribution of these is low, plus the inflation rate. This asset class sometime anticipates inflation and prices it in, and if not, there's big downside risk. Take advantage if it underestimates inflation. Is also serious interest rate risk.

DON'T BUY
Why is the dividend falling?

Designed to protect from the ravages of inflation. The real return rate itself is highly variable, now they're under 2%, and they were negative a couple of years ago. Long duration, low coupon, nominal yields, risky. A messy security. Worst performers in the bond market last 3 years, by far.

PARTIAL BUY

It's been a tricky year, but part of your bond portfolio that you really want in there. Longer term, these ones give you a coupon rate along with whatever the CPI is. Accounting is a bit funny, so owning them through an ETF and in a registered plan makes sense. Tax calculation tricky outside a registered plan.

Adds protection during inflationary shocks. Nice complement to your bond portfolio, just an allocated piece of it.

PARTIAL BUY

If you want inflation protection and bonds. They take the CPI and add a spread. It's about inflation expectations. So if they're robust, they're already reflected in the bond price, then you won't see a big pop in the ETF price. Conversely, if they're underpriced, this ETF can perform. Real return bonds have struggled. Own this in a registered account to avoid tax headaches. You should own real return as well as nominal bonds. But don't go all-in in real return bonds.

DON'T BUY
Would not recommend buying. Doesn't like real return bonds. Doesn't use this style of bond.
PAST TOP PICK
(A Top Pick Sep 17/20, Down 4%) Recommended this when he thought there was inflation coming. Real return bonds are set to offset the rising inflation. It does this with an inflation compensation in the price of the bond. The capital gets the CPI inflation tacked on.
COMMENT
Real return bonds with rising inflation expectations will protect you. They have a small coupon and you get a top up that is the actual inflation rate. Tricky and on average do not recommend to average investors. If you believe there is sustained inflation, you could buy it. This is a vehicle that needs to be traded.
SELL ON STRENGTH
It is all about inflation expectation and break even analysis. Inflation expectations have spiked considerably. We may not realize these levels for the next few years. Would not chase here. Hasn't added to it. Better to sell into strength since there are more deflationary forces. Have to watch wages. If they increase significantly, there will be real inflation.
WEAK BUY
Inflation-protected bonds respond to interest rates and inflation expectations which are now low. If interest rates go down, then the price of the bond will rise. If inflation expectations rise, so will the bond. It you want to generate income, nominal bonds is not the place to do that. Real return bonds are slightly better. Inflation expectations last summer hit multi-year lows. Covid has forced fiscal policy to play a much bigger role. Real return bonds will pay decent returns over coming years, but the returns are low. Can't get excited over them. He likes this ETF, but you can look elsewhere around the world for income.
TOP PICK
If we start to see slowing growth, plus inflation, and so stagflation, these are inflation-protected sovereign bonds. These are government of Canada bonds. You get the yield plus inflation. Nice complement to your bond portfolio. Yield is 2.14%.