ING Groep NV

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An horrendous chart. One challenge for ING is that in Holland you can get a 30-year mortgage. So, how do you increase net interest margins for banks when mortgage don't re-rate for 25 years or so? Their footprint is much smaller these days, too, after they sold off their insurance business. Other European banks offer more upside and better balance sheets, like HSBC and Santander.

It's been selling off. Watch sentiment about Europe with Germany and Italy in recession and Italy may leave Europe. ING has done well, but not better than 10 years ago. This is fine if you hold for 3-5 years and collect the yield.

Suffering from European malaise, plus flat or inverted yield curve. Earnings are very strong, dividend is very attractive, north of 5%, and well covered. Tends to stay out of trouble, retail bank. Great stock with a great dividend. Time to buy is now, when it has a single digit multiple. Solving Brexit should be a positive for European stocks in general.

Straggling now with growth. The dividend is not growing. Yield is attractive but not able to grow earnings. Free cash flow has to go up.

(A Top Pick Aug 22/18, Down 11%) A nice dividend is coming. It pays a 5% dividend yield. Generates over 1 billion Euros a quarter in profit that easily covers the dividend and could benefit with rising interest rates. not giving up on this name.

Trades at 9x earnings and below book value. Pays a 6.5% dividend. It's primarily a retail bank now. It's shown good numbers recently, like net-interest margins. It's a good retail bank in Europe with opportunity to grow. They're very tech-driven. This is a good buy in European banking long-term.

(A Top Pick Oct 23/17, Down 35%) He wanted to see more movement with central banks. If you look at European banks they have had a slide all year long. The dividends are back and internals are quite good. He has stuck with it. Once rates are normalized over there there will be quite a lift.

Balance sheet is improving, but interest rates are still low in Europe and all European banks are waiting to rise. If you can wait, then you can buy these banks now.

(A Top Pick Oct 17/18, Down 15%) This was a play on the European yield curve. Interest rates will rise in Europe and he'd get a 5% yield. What happened was the complete opposite way, because the ECB has been overly accomodative. ING earns nearly 1 billion euros per quarter, but the stock is declining becuse the yield curve isn't doing anything.

He looked at it closely after 2008. It is not on his watch list now although it was for a number of years. He never pulled the trigger. He does not see this bank going under but it will go with the cycle. Things may or may not turn around any time soon. It will move up significantly at some point in time. (Analysts’ price target is $18.50)

Europe is a basket case now, because interest rates are negative. ING's profit was lower this past quarter, because of a settlement with the Dutch government in September. ING is not growing as fast as he'd like.

(A Top Pick Dec 07/17, Down 33%) They are absolutely out of Europe. Growth is weak.

ING vs. Lloyd's Likes ING, it's a purely retail bank in Belgium and the Netherlands. Incredibly well capitalized, seem to have no skeletons in the closet. 4-5% dividend yield, low multiple, very low loan losses. Compelling investment, whole sector's been beaten down. Great opportunity. (Analysts’ price target is $14.19)

Dutch based company. Revenues are down like 75%. One of the challenges is that the Dutch can lock their mortgages for 30 years. It hurts in a raising interest rate environment.

Lloyds vs. ING among European banks? Loves and owns ING. Their capital ratios look great. The Dutch government fined them in the last quarter. All Euro banks in the past were bailed out by government, but ING has come back in gangbusters. He prefers ING to Lloyds. Lloyds still has the Brexit overhang. All European banks are now cheap (book value, PE). Now is a buying opportunity both stocks.