Nobody knows when the Iran conflict is going to end, but the market tends to overlook these geopolitical events if not the price of oil. Generally speaking, markets have been trending higher and doing very well in light of this geopolitical uncertainty.
The less stabilizing part of the market is the discussion around AI and how long that trend will persist. When oil moves $30 a barrel seemingly every week, this sector tends to get overlooked.
It'll take a long time to figure out whether companies are overspending or not, and whether they'll be able to monetize those investments. These companies will continue to plow money in, and they don't really have a choice at this time. Time is a big competitor, and North American companies really have to stay ahead of the curve.
The spending is a sustainable factor in the market, and has been lifting a lot of the market recently. There have been a lot of investment flows in a lot of different sectors, and that's been very helpful to capital markets.
Yes, that's what his team sees. One pushback they get is that the bull market's lasted for 3.7-3.8 years now, when is it going to run out? Bull markets tend to last a lot longer than people think (average is ~5.5 years).
There's a very good backdrop right now. The economy's doing quite well, and so are companies. We're getting through Q2 earnings, and the earnings have been very strong. Despite oil prices being all over the map, and being high right now, companies are still performing very well. In that environment, markets can continue to do well for a while.
It can happen, and GOOG is a good example of that. It had a very good quarter on topline and bottom, but it's increasing the capex spend. Investors see some uncertainty around that. Generally speaking, the volatility will come out of the stock and it'll start to move higher again.
Right now with all the uncertainty around interest rates, his firm is short-duration fixed income. Doesn't look as though Canada will raise rates.
Note that income from fixed income is fully taxable. If you really need to be in fixed income, he advocates corporate bonds at the short end, and probably investment grade. If you're comfortable, some high-quality companies may not be investment grade but give you a slightly higher yield.
Preferred shares are a good way to get income through dividends. Stable, though not as stable as fixed income. Yields of ~5-6% are roughly double what you're getting on fixed income right now, and those yields are tax-advantaged.
Yes, US bonds offer higher interest rates today, as the Fed funds rate is higher than the BOC overnight lending rate. But you're running two risks.
One is that you have currency exposure. The CAD is trading at the low end of the range, and that dynamic might turn. The other thing is that the Fed may be in a better position to raise interest rates, and so the price of your bonds will come down.
He uses fixed income as a way to manage risk. He's sticking to the short end of the curve (4.5-5 years max). He doesn't want to buy a long-duration bond and get into a volatility situation, where the component of the portfolio that's supposed to be the stabilizer gets too volatile.
Likes the ladder approach. He buys actual bonds; when that bond matures in 3 years, you know you're going to get your par investment back. The issue you get into with the short-term ETFs is that you never actually get to the maturity date, as the duration is maintained at the 3 year (for example) timeframe. If things go awry, he likes the thought of just holding his bond and getting his $$ back in 3 years.
He doesn't own any of the pure-play oil producers right now (though he does own TOU). The reason is the volatility we're seeing. His team plays energy these days by owning ENB, and some of the smaller midstream companies like PPL and GEI. He likes their stability.
ETFs are a decent way to play the sector. You get both liquidity and diversification. Look at the MER and make sure you're not paying too much. Good providers are iShares, Global X, and BMO -- go to their websites and look at the suite of offerings. Many of them just passively buy the index.
He owns a little bit, high-quality names plus 1 aspiration company, only 3-5% total. More than 50% of returns for the TSX last year was driven by gold (and, to a certain extent, base metals). He'd put on a small position, and an ETF is the way to do it. Doesn't think central banks are finished buying.
If the Fed raises rates, there might be better options (such as yield) than buying gold. So gold's checked back.
This is typically the time of year markets get really soft, usually first week of August and through September. Up to now, breadth has been improving and markets have been pretty buoyant as they've been driven by incredible earnings. All in spite of trade uncertainty, inflation, and geopolitical tensions.
However, when you have oil going up $6 in a day as it is today, that's a wrecking ball that's going to upset a lot of things. The yields on the US 10-year were already pretty high, and we've seen them spike again today. It'll be a tough tape for stocks on a day like today.
He's bullish on markets till the end of the year. Amongst the earnings cycle right now, the market's having second thoughts. We're going into the typical August/September swoon. You'll want to buy this dip, and he thinks markets will be higher at the end of the year.
The impact on stocks is key, because bonds are competing assets for stocks. If, all of a sudden, someone can get a reasonable return on a 10-year treasury (right now it's 4.7%), why bother taking the risk on stocks? That's point #1.
Point #2 is that everyone has a balance sheet and everyone borrows to grow earnings. Higher rates can really cramp margins and make everything more expensive. If we have higher oil for longer, it's going to have an effect.
Great question. If we're going into an ultimate bear market, then you want to be cautious. But if it's just another pullback, with earnings growth that continues really robust, you don't want to miss that -- you want to add when there's fear. Typically you have this weakness anyway heading into August and September. There's also uncertainty about the Fed decision next week.
We have all these uncertainties, valuations that aren't cheap, and a lot of expectations going into these earnings. Earnings have been really good, with tons of capex spending. There's a lot of punishment if a stock is perceived to miss.
The Coming Week
Lots going on, plus a lot of big tech earnings. This week has the potential of being an inflection week. We're heading into a negative seasonality period through September-October. Lots of risk to the market here. There's a rule of thumb when you're learning charts: if the market can't go up on good news, it's probably a sell.
So the tariff trade was potentially settled with the EU on the weekend. China's deal is kicked out 3 months down the road, we think. The market started up today, but now it's soft. We'll see where we close. There's a lot of information this week, so if the market can't go up on good news then we should take notice. On earnings and what's expected, George Soros always said to look at what's priced in and bet on the scenario that's not priced in.
He's looking at a chart of the S&P 500 going back to 1990 with anticipated earnings for the next 3 years. Earnings growth expectations are huge for the next couple of years. Do we have the economic backdrop to drive that?
The Congressional Budget Office recently put out an update. They took the "one big, beautiful bill" and forecast it out. Notwithstanding everything else, they put out a chart of where debt to GDP is going to go. Then they put out another one that assumes that all this AI investment adds to productivity and improves growth in the US. In that second scenario, the debt:GDP outlook starts to look a lot better if the growth rate and the economy can boom. Basically, it's a huge tailwind.
What's happening now in AI is huge. But so was the birth of the internet in the 1990s, and then the bubble broke and it collapsed for a couple of years. That's possibly coming.
Final chart shows the valuation of US long bonds against the S&P 500. When you take the PE ratio and invert it, you get the earnings yield of the S&P. We're now at the same level as we were at the dot-com peak. It's expensive. Bond yields today at the long end are ~5%. You're earning more in US treasuries than you are in the S&P 500. Historically, this isn't a buy/sell indicator but it tells you the market is very expensive at this point.
If we get a catalyst now, that catalyst is good news, and the market can't rally, then it's probably the end of this rally phase for the next 3-5 months.