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When it comes to futuristic-oriented things, there's an early stage of excitement. People see all the money that's "supposedly" being made, but the accounting starts getting really rough.
What's going on now is that the big hyperscaler companies, who were massive free cashflow generators and never borrowed money, are now reversing and are negative FCF. Investors always loved that they had wide moats with high FCF. But now they're giving that up to secure their AI participation. Investors are ignoring that in hopes that there's a reward at the end of the rainbow.
Watch the way the hyperscalers are borrowing. The sketchiness of the whole thing is that they're not using A-rated, 20-year bonds to do this. They're doing it off-balance sheet or through circular financing.
In 1999 Lucent Technologies loaned $$ to their startup customers, and counted repayment as 45% of their revenue that year. And we know how that ended.
We're already in that phase.
Doesn't do any short-term trading. Owns 27 stocks in his US fund, and 27 in the international one. There's a set of circumstances that his team looks for, if not a particular price.
If things are going really badly, and we're in a big recession, nobody wants to touch stocks, and investors are scared, that's when they apply their criteria for stock selection. It takes a terrible market to create bargains out of wonderful companies, you have to be patient.
His team sincerely believes that we're 6 years into 15-30 years of a relatively golden era where oil & gas companies outperform the rest of the stock market and the rest of the economy. On May 1, 2020 (when the Saudis took the price of oil to zero), that was like the bottom of the Great Depression or the Financial Crisis. Now we're reverting to the mean.
From 2017 to 2021, political/religious movement related to fossil fuels. People were shamed from investing in fossil fuels. During that time, no one poked any holes in the ground or put capital to work. The antithesis of "drill, baby, drill".
Likes the sector. For example, he owns ULTA and CROX. Likes good retail. Addicted customers are always a wonderful thing.
He no longer owns SBUX, but it was one of his firm's first big wins. The US was in a deep recession for a long time after 2008, and everyone told him, "Bill, no one's going to buy a $4 cup of coffee." But it was the only luxury people kept. They weren't taking vacations or doing anything fun, but that little luxury kept people going.
His team believes that a lot of $$ is going to be made over the next 10 years building house in the US. The level of building right now, for the population, is not keeping up. The situation won't be cured until the AI mania breaks; that demand for credit is creating upward pressure on mortgage rates.
The next bear market in the S&P 500 is probably going to be a doozy, and more than a year (like 1973-74 or 2007-2009). When that happens, the primary investors (50- to 80-year-olds) will flee to safety, and they'll flee to interest-bearing instruments. They'll take the bird in the hand and give up the two in the bush. (Right now, it's the 8 in the bush :) The bird in the hand doesn't have anything.)
We're not going back to 1-2%, that was just a bit of Covid-induced despair. But rates will, eventually, be lower.
Sentiment among the homebuilders is at very low levels.
His team has 8 criteria to select stocks.
A bargain to its intrinsic value. For different industries (whether growth or traditional value), that "bargain" will look different. Wide moat. Long history of success. High and consistent free cashflow. Strong insider ownership with recent purchases. Strong balance sheet (though he'd give up some of that temporarily, while strong FCF repairs the balance sheet).
It's tough to meet all those requirements. They find about 3 good ideas each year. You can look at his website.
They're constantly looking for companies that meet their criteria, then patiently wait for them to get thrown in the dumpster (many times by circumstances that don't have anything to do with them). One example is UNH.
They tend to leg in to positions. A full position is, typically, 3%.
Out of 2008-2009, his team came out with "broken growth stocks" -- DIS, SBUX, AMGN. Growth stocks that were formerly highly thought of, but trading at low double-digit PE multiples.
It's not helpful for the price of money to go up abruptly the way it has. It slows down lending, might increase cost of deposits if people are tempted to move money into GICs. That all hurts margins.
When the S&P starts doing poorly, people will probably flock to those 6% bonds. That will cause interest rates to go down, which would actually help housing and lumber stocks.
In August he raised the hedge to 65%, then lowered it in mid-September then raised it late last week due to volatility. His stock portfolios has been stable, skewed to AI data centres. In this space, the big companies have done well, but the medium/small ones have not. So, the market breadth is weak, even within AI infrastructure. Also, taking Meta's Muse for example, AI has been focused less on business and more on the consumer.
Actually makes a lot of sense. CVE is one of those companies that has a very good operational history in terms of the oil sands.
He hasn't had a chance this morning to delve into the valuation. But on the heels of the MEG acquisition, the synergies and contiguous lands, and the long-life assets, they're going to make this work. Thinks the market likes it, based on CVE stock being barely off today.
CVE is making so much cash these days, both on the refining side and on the oil side, it won't be a big deal for them to swallow.
This is a very narrow market. We've experienced a stealthy correction since the peak in mid-May. If you look at the US small-cap index, or the S&P 500 equal-weight index, the average stock in the S&P is down a huge amount.
People don't realize this because they're looking at the market-cap-weighted index, and it's just chugging along. It's being held up by AAPL, META, and GOOG. All the big mega-cap tech names. But the average stock this year is not having a good time of it.
No. He does have Canadian exposure. His team are value investors and stock pickers. So they go where their clients' capital is going to be treated best. The US was, and still is, the biggest market in the world. And it's a varied market. It offers a lot of different businesses and industries. Lots of choice.
Canada is a bit more constrained. You have energy, mining, financials, banks. And then a hodgepodge of some other businesses. Not that there aren't some interesting businesses to be held in Canada, but not in the vast number that there are in the US.
All manias die. This is a mania, and a whopper. We haven't cleared the system of the last spate of mania that was the massive government spending through Covid, which people took and bought extremely aggressive stocks. Then the Fed tightened credit in 2022, and those people got slaughtered.
Usually when people get hit like that, if it doesn't last too long (just a year as opposed to 2-3), then people's memories aren't very good. So people have come back.
This particular mania is following on all the excitement of meme trades and growth stocks. Now here we are with a very justifiable investment boom in AI. But when everyone wants something, that's the time to stay away.