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Stockchase InsightsA Comment -- General Comments From an ExpertA CommentaryCOMMENTNov 22, 2024

Trevor Rose’s Insights - Trevor’s most-liked answers from 5i Research

Notable Companies:

The criteria below reflect Canadian companies that have had share prices under pressure since the beginning of this year, depreciating at least by 15%, while the momentum of the underlying businesses continues to be strong, growing by at least by 8% on average in the last three years.

Premium Brands Holdings Corporation (PBH): PBH has been held in our Balanced Model Portfolio for some time. Over the last few years, the company has been in an investment cycle to drive growth going forward. However, PBH has recently seen weakness in sales growth, which dropped to a low single-digits growth primarily due to a weak consumer spending environment. Consequently, PBH’s valuation multiples contracted, which was the major reason for the underperformance. We continue to believe PBH is a high-quality consumer staples name that is experiencing short-term challenges. If PBH can manage to accelerate its topline growth, the stock can see a multiple re-rate from here.

Algonquin Power & Utilities Corp. (AQN): AQN has been one of the favourite dividend names in Canada until recent years when the company mismanaged its leverage levels. AQN has experienced negative free cash flow over the last few years while continuing to invest heavily in capital expenditures. Consequently, its debt level reached an unsustainable level of 7.8x net debt/EBITDA, which is much higher than peers and its historical averages. We don’t think investors should try to catch the bottom in AQN at any price until the company manages to reduce its debt levels to conservative levels. 

BRP Inc (DOO): DOO used to be one of the names we own in our Growth Model Portfolio. However, we recently downgraded the company and sold the entire position in our Model Portfolio due to concerns that the duration of the industry downturn cycle, as well as the timing of the recovery, is highly uncertain and may take a long time to recover. Although DOO went through similar cycles and came out strong in the past, we think the current market environment offers the chance to acquire a stake in businesses with strong momentum, which in general, has a much higher chance of doing well relative to turnaround situations.
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COMMENT
Markets.

We're seeing the typical script. In August, his team was warning clients to be careful. Usually you have a swoon in September, which typically lasts until October 11-14. Then we usually go into a seasonal rally and a Santa Claus rally to end the year.

It's playing by the book. But there's no ignoring the fact that there's a 90% chance that the Fed will raise interest rates next week. That's a serious headwind. With 10-year bond yields cross 5%, and oil getting to critical levels ~$100, investors have to start taking notice. You have to wonder if this is just the typical swoon, part of the script? Or is it the start of something more concerning?

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Asset allocation right now.

For a typical client portfolio (70/30) he's been pretty aggressive, even up to 90% equity. His team believes we're in a really good, unfolding bull market. 

When you go into periods like this, you want to have respect for your asset allocation. When things start to turn, they don't turn right away. By the time you get 4 data points, you already have a market that's down quite a bit.

He doesn't think we're going there. This is a buying opportunity. When they add up the sum of the parts of the market (they cover 300 companies), the earnings power we're seeing is unbelievable. It really is. Growth rates are so much higher -- the kind you see coming out of a recession, but we're not. We're 4 years into a bull market.

Earnings growth is so good, he thinks we'll be in an elongated cycle. Things can disrupt that, such as Federal Reserve error or oil going to $150. So you have to be somewhat mindful.

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Growth slowing?

No, growth rates are very strong. Strong for the rest of this year and for next. They look to start slowing to a more regular pace of 12-14% in 2028. But we'll see. The numbers keep getting ratcheted up. The spending is real. 

We're seeing productivity gains to small caps, which have been rallying and outperforming. They're very interest-sensitive, so should be going the other way. (They are right now because everything is.) But they've done better than big caps. Productivity gains are being felt across the board. 

We're into a really beautiful expansion, and people are still misjudging the upside.

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Copper.

What we've seen is just a supply response -- there's just not a lot of copper out there. But we're going to need it for a long time. It's a great play, but it's already reflected in the stocks and they're not as cheap as they were. He owns a bunch of them.

Still likes FCX. Grasberg coming fully online will be very beneficial. Likes HBM, LUN, CS (though higher risk), TECK.B with its Anglo merger. You can own them all, but FCX is probably the best bang for your buck right now.

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Utilities in Canada -- interest rates on hold or falling, but utility stocks going down.

In the markets, 1+1 does not always =2.  :)  These things got way too pricey. There are bound to be interest-rate gyrations when the US is going to raise rates 2-3 times. If the US raises rates like this, the BOC will probably have to raise a bit as well (probably not as much). That's what the market thinks.

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Tariffs an overhang?

Yes. But you have to take a step back and believe that this is a political game, being done for political reasons. At some point, everyone is going to want to make a deal in the next 6-12 months. This too shall pass.

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Markets.

Right now, it's all about the potential for greater inflation from higher oil prices and bond yields moving higher again. Higher bond yields and oil prices put inflation, valuations, and central bank moves back into focus.

That said, equities are still on solid ground at this point driven by the anchor of really solid earnings growth. We haven't seen this type of earnings growth in many years.

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Volatility -- ride it out or reposition?

Since the mid-August highs, the S&P is down about 3%. September plus midterm elections could cause volatility to persist for a while. He'd be a proponent of using cash to take advantage of stocks that have dipped in the last little while. Take a look at high-quality names that are only down because the market's down.

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Rest of 2026.

Good news is that, historically, the 6-12 months after midterm elections tend to be one of the strongest periods ever on average. Hopefully that's the case once again. He thinks it'll be driven by earnings, continued capex expenditure, continued AI investment, as well as reshoring and nearshoring.

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Midterms and volatility.

Historically, you see about a 15% drawdown in years where there's a midterm election. It doesn't mean you'll see that drawdown every single year there's a midterm election. It's just the average.

So far this year we've seen a 9% drawdown. But he could see that the combination of September seasonality with midterms would add a bit more volatility this month. Hard to say. We're down 3% since mid-August. If markets head 5% or even 10% lower, he'd use cash to buy equities.

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Tariffs and picking stocks.

Very difficult. His sense is that we'll see an eventual easing of tensions, and things will normalize to a certain extent. But keep them in mind. Does a company have a lot of US exposure? Do they ship a lot to the US? Do they have business in the US?

DOL, for example, doesn't really have business in the US and so they're not really affected by tariffs.

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Canadian banks.

Clearly on solid footing. There are concerns about the economy and any impact from tariffs. Many banks are trading at multiples above average, but there may be reasons for that. They have diversified revenue streams.

Broadly, banks have a place in your portfolio. As do strong, big US banks.

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Buying on the NYSE vs. CDRs.

Broadly, you're not taking a hit when buying US holdings in US dollars. US dollars will continue to appreciate; if they don't, it's a roundtrip eventually. You want to look at the company itself. 

As always, be diversified by sector and geography. So why not be diversified by currency as well? Important to own in CAD, as well as in USD and international currencies via ADRs.

With CDRs, recognize that the volume of trading will be a bit lower. There could be some slack in the bid/ask. There are costs to owning CDRs, which could be as much as 60 bps.

For him, if he's going to buy a US security, he prefers to buy on the NYSE. His clients have benefited, as the USD has appreciated very well over the years.

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Investors moving away from tech.

They're cautious because they're fearful that the ROI on the huge investment (approaching $1B) isn't going to be fulfilled. Thinks that's unlikely, but the markets are rightfully cautious. Not a terrible thing for investors, forcing them to take it a little slower.